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Quick note: I realize that overwhelming sentiment is that the latest signs of a drop in Reach is proof that Facebook is putting a squeeze on small businesses. Facebook needs to monetize, so this provides proof that there’s a conspiracy to force us to pay for advertising. I know that it’s not popular to suggest that we investigate fully prior to making that determination. For some, it’s like holding out on whether water is wet or the Green Bay Packers are the greatest football franchise of all time. Some things are just common sense.

But I’m stubborn. I can’t help but be annoyed by the angry mobs that are forming based on incomplete information. I’ve seen far too many inconsistencies and none of the articles on the subject satisfy me. I’ve spent hours upon hours trying to get to the bottom of this.

What you are about to read is what I’ve found so far. But this is not my final say. I need more info, and you can help!

facebook page reach Are Facebook Page Numbers REALLY Down? [Infographic]

Is Facebook Page Reach Really Down?

I previously wrote about a problem in Facebook Insights concerning Viral Reach. The numbers just didn’t add up.

The more I look into Facebook Insights, the more problems I find.

There are so many inconsistencies that it’s often difficult to make sense of it. In order to determine what is flawed, you first need to establish an accurate baseline. And that baseline has been a needle in the Insights haystack.

But one thing I discovered is an enormous difference in Viral Reach when viewing Page Level Data as opposed to Post Level Data.

It’s this difference that could very well be the source of the uproar around a drop in Reach. Which set of data is correct?

The answer could ultimately determine whether there is actual reason to be concerned or if the harm we’re all reporting is more “perceived” than “actual.”

The Post Level Data Problems

You’ll recall that I previously noted some very bizarre changes in the ratio of Talking About This/Viral Reach. This was found in the Post Level Data:

Metric 6/10 – 8/27 8/29 – 9/9
Talking About This/Viral Reach 14.3% 87.5%

This means that from 6/10 – 8/27, it took about 14 people “talking about” your content to reach 100 of their friends. From 8/28 – 9/9, it took nearly 88 people “talking about” your content to reach 100 friends (or nearly a 1:1 ratio).

Makes no sense, right? How is it possible that an average of only one friend of a typical Fan sees interaction with your Page?

Page Level Data: All is Well


Well, here’s the ratio when looking at that same range of 6/10 – 8/27 when using Page Level Data:

3.3%.

This makes a whole lot more sense, doesn’t it? Your Fans have a bunch of friends. It takes only 3 of them to “talk about” your content and reach 100 people.

And when I look at approximate one-month periods dating back to January, this percentage has always been rather low:

Date Range Talking About This/Viral Reach
1/21 – 2/21 6.6%
2/22 – 3/22 6.8%
3/23 – 4/23 4.2%
4/24 – 5/24 3.7%
5/25 – 6/25 4.3%
6/26 – 7/26 3.8%
7/27 – 8/27 2.0%
8/28 – 9/28 3.7%

Keep in mind, the lower the better. According to this, my ability to reach friends of Fans through Fan interaction has actually become more efficient as the year has progressed.

This, of course, is in stark contrast with what we’ve been hearing — and what I previously reported.

According to Page Level Data, my Organic Reach has also been steadily increasing throughout the year before taking a very minor dip after that odd spike from 7/27 – 8/27.

Date Range Organic Reach
1/21 – 2/21 567
2/22 – 3/22 678
3/23 – 4/23 820
4/24 – 5/24 912
5/25 – 6/25 992
6/26 – 7/26 1147
7/27 – 8/27 1894
8/28 – 9/28 1662

In fact, all of my important data — Talking About This, Stories and Engaged Users, to name a few — continue an upward trend.

So when I look at my Page Level Data, I’m really not noticing any problems at all. Did Organic Reach drop on 8/28? Sure, but only after a ridiculous month before it.

The Source of Panic

The reason people are freaking out is pretty simple. They are focusing on data in two main places:

  1. Post Level Data on the post itself (X People Saw This Post); and
  2. Post Level Data in the web version of Insights.

And even I used a Post Level Data export when I made my initial analysis. As I noted above, Page Level Data shows no such problems. Everything is chugging along nicely.

So, what if the Post Level Data that the majority of Page admins use is actually flawed? What if in each case, a different story could be read based on Page Level Data?

No one can be sure exactly which set of data is correct because Facebook doesn’t like to explain these things. But since I continue to see growth across the board in Engagement, Talking About This, Consumers and Consumption in both sets of data, I’m prone to think that the Post Level Data is “most flawed.”

Talk of an Algorithm Change


Now, I know you’re just salivating right now, waiting to scream at me about the whispers surrounding an EdgeRank algorithm change. Even though none of the mainstream sources have mentioned it, I’ve heard enough rumors that it’s at least possible.

But this is a completely different discussion. The problem that I and many others noticed started on 8/28. The algorithm change, if it happened, didn’t start until 9/20 (or at least, that’s how it’s being reported).

If such a change did occur, we’ll have to wait and see what impact it will make. But it has nothing — or very little — to do with this discussion.

Other Negative Reports


Reports I have seen about a drop in Reach seem to fall into three camps:

  1. People who only speak of Reach in general without digging further;
  2. People, like me, who have noted inconsistencies with Viral Reach; and
  3. People who note an impact to other engagement.

Keep in mind that the first group far outnumbers the other two. It’s actually more than a little frustrating that so few people are willing to look deeper into their stats.

I have heard from some people indicating they’ve been negatively impacted by Talking About This or other engagement metrics. But the number is so small that it could also be a completely natural phenomenon.

Every month, some of us do well. Some of us do poorly. Some of us stay the same. So many factors apply. Sample size is important.

In the end, I can only rely on my research. My results are only as good as the sample size and accuracy of the data.

Based on what I’ve found, I have strong suspicions that there have been no major changes to “actual” Reach on average. It seems quite possible that the harm that many are noticing may actually be due to an error in reporting.

But there still isn’t enough data available to make a definitive statement one way or the other.

How About You?


Do me a favor and pull a Page Level Export of your Facebook Insights. Go back several months, all the way back to 1/1 if you want. But, please: Provide specific Page Level data facts to back up your claims.

Look closely: Do you still notice that Reach is down? Are other metrics down as well?

Share your results in the comments below!

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  • http://twitter.com/marekdsi Marek

    Facebook deleting fake accounts may be a reason? Even if your followers are real, they probably were connected to fake one.

    • http://jonloomer.com/blog Jon Loomer

      Marek — I can certainly see deleting accounts making an impact somewhere. However, what we’re finding is an inconsistency in data. If I was finding Reach was down across the board — both in Post and Page Level data — I’d be looking at that more seriously as the cause. Instead, it’s clear that one of those sets of data is wrong.

    • M Burke

      I think OP is just CYA.

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  • http://www.socialidentities.com/ Hugh Briss

    Marek may have a point but I think this all stems from the announcement a month or two ago Facebook made that they were going to start adding our viral count to the organic reach differently and at that time everyone’s total reach numbers went up dramatically. I think there’s a glitch in the system because I see the same results in my stats you’re seeing. Nothing is down, and in reality all of my stats are up. The only number that seems much lower than it was is the reach number that appears below each of my posts and if the viral count is not being added to the organic reach correctly, that would account for the drop in that number.

    The numbers I pay attention to are the overall people reached and the talking about this count that is displayed in the small graph in the admin panel at the top of my Timeline.

    • http://jonloomer.com/blog Jon Loomer

      We’re getting closer, Hugh. Not sure anyone hears us, but we’ll get there.

    • http://twitter.com/MikeStraus Mike Straus

      Not sure I understand the “viral not being added to organic” part – Viral and organic are two different categories of reach that depend on how the user was reached (paid is the third kind of reach, which in some cases can double with viral).

      That high level chart is page level and is based on your entire page, not just your posts. I would be really curious to know if you saw a drop in viral reach at the post level.

      • http://www.socialidentities.com/ Hugh Briss

        I am talking about the viral per post reach, Mike and that’s my entire point, that number is way down and being calculated incorrectly. The number shown in the “Reach” column on your main Insights page is “total reach” which means it’s a total of the organic, paid and viral reach numbers. Since I’m seeing that the viral count is not accurate then my point is that what looks to be a low “Reach” number may actually not be low, it’s just that the viral count is wrong and if someone compares their Reach numbers from now with what they were a month or two ago when the viral reach was being totaled correctly, they would perceive that the numbers had dropped, when I don’t think they have.

        All anyone has to do is download the full data for the past several months and look at all their stats and they’ll see that there has been no mysterious drop. My overall numbers that count are up. My weekly reach and talking about this numbers are higher now than they were a month ago even though the total reach shown for each individual post is being reported at about 40% lower than what I was seeing, on average, a month ago.

        • http://twitter.com/MikeStraus Mike Straus

          From Facebook’s definition of reach, Total reach should not actually a sum of organic, viral, and paid as the same user can be reached multiple ways (organically in the news feed, paid as a sponsored story, and viraly though a story from a friend liking/commenting. Typically it is very close to the total as most users are not reached both organically and virally, but if you promote posts to fans this gap can widen much more. I looked at over 4 months of post data on this.

          I would love to believe the “viral reach” numbers for my posts is wrong and should be higher but I don’t see anything to prove that right now. If you have any other evidence I would love to see it.

          Looking back at a post level, I see a drop in reach recently to close to levels from 4 months back despite having a larger and more engaged fan base. Viral took a proportionally larger drop relative to the TAT numbers. Its also important to note that this really puts reach closer to back when Facebook did NOT count mobile views of story in reach. It is possible a change in the algorithms for mobile is part of it as we did see a spike when they started counting mobile views.

          I do see a mysterious drop in reach at a post level, but at a page level the drop wasn’t as severe. This could legitimately be counted for as with lower reach Facebook could be doing a good job at reaching different users with each post in addition to the fact that there are other sources of viral page reach (page likes and user posts to your page). Unfortunately I can’t seem to get some of the data from the export or even the APIs to say for sure on many things.

          • http://jonloomer.com/blog Jon Loomer

            According to Insights, my Page gets a healthy dose of non-Fan engagement. One could assume that if Viral Reach (non-fans seeing stories about my content from their friends) disappeared, this would change. It hasn’t.

            It’s entirely possible Facebook throttled the viral nature of Pages. I don’t completely understand why they would, and I’m not seeing that impact to my Page.

  • http://twitter.com/bevisible Betsy Kent

    Hi Jon, We’ve examined numbers on some key Pages, and your analysis seems to match our findings. However, we do find it very disconcerting to see those low reach numbers at Post level. Thanks for always being on top of these things. Betsy

    • http://jonloomer.com/blog Jon Loomer

      Hi, Betsy! I guess my question is that if you were able to verify everything is okay from a Page Level, why is it disconcerting that you’re noticing numbers down on a Post Level?

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  • reallifesarah

    Did this just prove your point about faulty post-level stats? For the month of September – Post Level Daily Viral Impressions total 279,510; Page Level Lifetime Viral Impressions total 1,189,448. This is a difference of 909,978 viral impressions that are missing from post level statistics.

    • http://jonloomer.com/blog Jon Loomer

      Sarah — This is one of the many things that bother me about the data. I don’t understand why there would be such a difference between the two. I noticed it as well, but didn’t mention it in my post because I didn’t want to confuse things further. But you’re right on.

      Can you take a look at your Page Level Viral Reach and other data and compare it during the past few months? I’d be interested in knowing if you see any trends.

      Thanks!

      • http://twitter.com/MikeStraus Mike Straus

        That logic is flawed. While I have seen many odd inconsistencies with Facebook Insights data, It is important to recognize most of the “Viral” reach at the page level is NOT at all related to you post level activity. Most of the “page level” reach, particularly viral reach comes from activities outside of the posts on your page. In fact, a user “liking” your page (not a page post) seems to be the primary cause of Viral Reach.

        Go to the “talking about this” page on insights and down to the “how people are talking about your page” graphs and change the drop down to different options.

        I think you will find the most viral action is people liking your page (Page likes) – on one page I am seeing 170 likes in a week translate to a Viral Reach of about 4900.

        Second main source for me was “Posts by others” on the page, which 12 posts in a week by others translated into viral reach of 1200

        Mentions and photo tags are also very viral, with each mention/photo tag translating to a viral reach of about 200.

        The only place the story to viral reach seems poor is on “stories from your posts” or when people comment/like. on these I am seeing only 1 to 1.5x viral reach compared to stories (900 PTAT translates to 1600 for viral reach).

        While I still have more data to dig into, as far as I can tell so far the only real impact is the viral reach for stories generated from PTAT related to my page posts – everything else is doing well for viral.

  • http://twitter.com/stantonk stantonk

    Another thing to be aware of is which impression stat you’re looking at. Facebook doesn’t seem to do a good job of explaining this anywhere, except for their API documentation:

    https://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/fql/insights/

    There are 6 different types of viral impressions metrics that Insights has: page_impressions_viral, page_impressions_viral_unique, page_posts_impressions_viral, page_posts_impressions_viral_unique, post_impressions_viral, post_impressions_viral_unique.

    I’m not sure which ones are used by Facebook when they show their numbers, but depending on whether it is unique or non-unique can cause a potentially huge discrepancy when comparing page level and post level impressions. Also, page level stats are reported in 1 day, 1 week, and 28 day intervals, whereas the individual post-level impression data is for all time.

    I think it’s really hard to say whether your numbers are up/down as a result of Facebook changing something. There’s an awful lot of variables, including negative feedback on your posts, competition for the News Feed from other brands, differences in the virality of the content being posted/shared, and just the waxing & waning of individual fans time spent on Facebook, to name a few.

    • http://jonloomer.com/blog Jon Loomer

      Really interesting. Thanks for the info!

    • http://twitter.com/MikeStraus Mike Straus

      I did a lot of digging into Insights API and how it maps to insights UI in FB earlier this year. Anything that says “unique” in the API is referred to as “Reach” in the Insights UI. The FB Insights UI doesn’t ever talk about “impressions” which are non-unique (so the same user may account for 5 impressions) only “Reach”which is unique.

      Agree lots of factors can impact if your numbers are up or down, but I notice overall organic reach for page posts post level down a bit, but not sure why, but post level viral down a ton even though post engagement has generally been increasing

  • http://twitter.com/MikeStraus Mike Straus

    First, I am also angry at all the people who “blame Facebook” for being evil and “making me pay” to reach my fans or friends of my fans. I also think that Facebook has actually changed the newsfeed algorithms, edgerank, to make it more difficult for people to see your post, and generally is justified in what they are doing. I am not saying there are not some reporting errors too as I have seen many Insights issues before, but I do think Facebook made changes.

    The volume of brand/page posts on Facebook goes up, and Facebook can only show users so many posts, so if they show every post that every page a user likes, plus every post by every friend of yours who commented or liked a page post on a page you don’t like, you would have a never ending flood of content you couldn’t consume (think twitter). Instead Facebook tries to show every use what they think is most important to them, picking and choosing from many stories based on your affinity with the user or page. Users would be angry and leave if too much of what they saw was “marketing” and not posts from friends.

    Second, Facebook needs to be able to sell a certain amount of adds to make money (it is a business after all) so needs to reserve an appropriate amount of inventory in the news feed balance of posts for “sponsored” stories. For better or worse Facebook is likely increasing the percentage of sponsored stories vs non-sponsored brand stories. Be angry all you want but this is a business and you can’t really expect everyone to see everything you post.

    Finally I think mobile has an impact – you can see less stories on mobile at a time, so FB really wants to show users what is most important to them. This means affinity is even more important so unless your fans are very engaged with your content they will be less likely to see it.

    I am not happy about it being harder to reach users either, but this would happen as there constantly more content competing for the Newsfeed that I suspect is outgrowing the time uses spend on Facebook to consume it, and of course Facebook is a business that needs to make money. Your options to reach more people is doing a really good job to build engagement and affinity or pay to promote posrts

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  • Ann Mullen

    Jon, I am very confused about all this, but I have noticed that all our Fan Page numbers have dropped. I just don’t know how to look at it the way you talk about. I am not so good at math. I do like the thought that things are not as bleak as they seem. Thanks. Here is one of my sites: https://www.facebook.com/broadvisionmarketing

  • http://twitter.com/nicolaslavin Nicola

    Apologies – I just posted this on another of your blog posts, when I meant to paste it here! Sorry if you see this twice but obviously this is more relevant here:

    I’ve noticed reach on individual posts and our ‘People Talking About This’ numbers decreasing quite significantly in the past few weeks. My page has just over 120,000 likes and I typically post once or twice a day in the week, with occasional timed posts at weekends. I’ve been doing a bit of digging and research online to see why our reach seems to have dropped as my content hasn’t changed – I’ve always used a lot of imagery and quotes in the hope people will share these, but have definitely noticed less of this recently. Your blog has been very helpful – thank you.

    This morning I’ve done a bit more analysis on our page level data as you suggested, going back to 1 March 2012, and this is what I have found in terms of some of the various reach metrics:

    Weekly Total Page Reach was fairly steady up till around 23rd August. It then started dropping gradually but leapt again around 12 September – however this is probably explained by the fact that we celebrated a significant event around that time and there was a lot of press and attention on the page. It started dropping again on 21 September, but then started going up again slowly on 5th October and over the past few days has fluctuated, peaking on 11th October, though it now seems to be dropping again.

    Weekly Organic Reach is similar – dropped off gradually after 20 September but started to increase again around 3rd October and numbers are now around the same as they were in late August.

    Weekly Viral Reach – dropped dramatically on 20 September (perhaps the dramatic drop is partly explained by our event coverage easing off) and then continued to decrease. On 3rd October it was at the lowest level it’s ever been since March, but then it slowly started climbing again – it’s still relatively low though.

    In terms of likes, in August we would increase week on week by between 350-400 new likes. In September this spiked and we saw up to 1,000 new likes a week but I would have expected that due to increased presence over the month and press coverage, etc. More recently it has gone down to 250-300 new likes a week.

    Not really sure what this says to me, other than as you have indicated viral reach is obviously the most affected – but again as you’ve said overall reach doesn’t seem to be as bad as I’d thought it would be and in some cases seems to be climbing back up. However I have certainly noticed less sharing/commenting/liking on our posts in the past few weeks… I am obviously going to have to continue to monitor it and try and make some changes to the times I post and so on.

    Incidentally, does anyone have any tips on the best time of day to post when your page has international reach? I’m based in the UK as are a lot of our fans, but our highest demographic by country is the US (UK a relatively close second). Typically I would post sommething twice a day to reach each audience in late afternoon for the UK and then later in what would be the morning in the US. I can see from reading around that this might be the wrong approach, but I wondered if anyone had any tips for international pages? I’ve seen 6pm EST as an optimal time in a few reports, but that’s obviously not going to be the same for the UK. If anyone is in a similar boat would be great to hear any tips.

    Thanks for the post Jon.

    • http://jonloomer.com/blog Jon Loomer

      Thanks so much for your feedback, Nicola! Do you have stats on engaged users, stories created, consumptions, consumers, etc? Curious what you’re seeing there.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/bryce.vernon Bryce Vernon

    I have found discrepancies between Page Level Data and Post Level Data Impressions. Let me outline what I’ve found:

    From Post Level Data, I record the “Lifetime Post Total Impressions for posts” for each day. I do this so that I can get an accurate count for Total Impressions for my posts on any given date. I am able to determine the Impressions for each day by calculating the difference between Lifetime Post Total Impressions on the day I record the data and the Lifetime Post Total Impressions from the previous day’s data.

    In Page Level Data, there is metric that should reflect the day-by-day data I manually record (as outlined in the paragraph above). This metric is: “Daily Total Impressions of your posts,” which Facebook describes as “Daily The number of impressions that came from all of your posts. (Total Count).”

    I have found that when comparing the metrics, they do not equate. I have been unable to find how Facebook calculates their Page Level Data for “Daily Total Impressions of your posts.” Does anyone know why I am seeing a discrepancy? Or is this just another Facebook flaw between Page and Post level data?

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